<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments for SoCal-LD.net</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.socal-ld.net/comments/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.socal-ld.net</link>
	<description>Southern California&#039;s NFA-LD site</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:45:56 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Evidence Photographs by Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2011/11/16/evidence-photographs/comment-page-1/#comment-13144</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=2391#comment-13144</guid>
		<description>I&#039;ve only encountered this problem once (But know others have multiple times) and was confused because I was allowed to write down the citations, just not take pictures. I tend to think that individuals who don&#039;t allow this are only running from debate or feel that the lack of their evidence/citations being public knowledge will give them some sort of advantage. I also think the same argument applies to the NFA caselist. Just compare the postings, cases, plantexts and overall lackthereof of this year to the past year. Or compare it to the CEDA caselist if you want something radically different. (and don&#039;t even bring up the laughable &quot;wikispec&quot;). Unfortunately, I&#039;d imagine the individuals who are against sharing information/citations are the same ones who will probably not be joining this discussion nor will they be utilizing the caselist anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only encountered this problem once (But know others have multiple times) and was confused because I was allowed to write down the citations, just not take pictures. I tend to think that individuals who don&#8217;t allow this are only running from debate or feel that the lack of their evidence/citations being public knowledge will give them some sort of advantage. I also think the same argument applies to the NFA caselist. Just compare the postings, cases, plantexts and overall lackthereof of this year to the past year. Or compare it to the CEDA caselist if you want something radically different. (and don&#8217;t even bring up the laughable &#8220;wikispec&#8221;). Unfortunately, I&#8217;d imagine the individuals who are against sharing information/citations are the same ones who will probably not be joining this discussion nor will they be utilizing the caselist anytime soon.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Evidence Photographs by Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2011/11/16/evidence-photographs/comment-page-1/#comment-13126</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 03:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=2391#comment-13126</guid>
		<description>Hint: imagine that you&#039;ve just written and turned in an academic paper, with MLA citations (author&#039;s last name and page number) where appropriate. When your professor asks for your &quot;Works Cited&quot; page with a full list of complete sources, and you refuse, what grade would you reasonably expect to receive on the paper?

Information exists to be shared, not monopolized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hint: imagine that you&#8217;ve just written and turned in an academic paper, with MLA citations (author&#8217;s last name and page number) where appropriate. When your professor asks for your &#8220;Works Cited&#8221; page with a full list of complete sources, and you refuse, what grade would you reasonably expect to receive on the paper?</p>
<p>Information exists to be shared, not monopolized.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Evidence Photographs by mat</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2011/11/16/evidence-photographs/comment-page-1/#comment-13124</link>
		<dc:creator>mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=2391#comment-13124</guid>
		<description>I find it ironic that debaters do not think it is theft when we steal other people&#039;s work and often  we do not always use the evidence the way that the author would prefer it be used.  

On top of that, are they afraid that someone might use their card because it is good?  Really?  The best feeling I had as a debater was when 3 schools were running my natives Aff at nationals.  Sure they tweaked it a bit, but they were still using my files.  

To me, if someone does not allow a competitor/judge to take down the cite, electronically or otherwise, I think it shows a lack of conviction in their evidence.  As in, they are afraid someone will make sure they are being truthful.
It is not like someone will fabricate evidence or tweak it a little to much for their benefit (cough cough HS TOC a couple years ago).

While I think that some rules in NFA are a bit lame, I am 100% behind the rules of ethical citation of scholarly/not quite so scholarly research on the cards (not so hot on having to read the long names that people give their articles, le sigh).

We need to have accountability for each other and this is something that if the scholars can do it and survive, so can we.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it ironic that debaters do not think it is theft when we steal other people&#8217;s work and often  we do not always use the evidence the way that the author would prefer it be used.  </p>
<p>On top of that, are they afraid that someone might use their card because it is good?  Really?  The best feeling I had as a debater was when 3 schools were running my natives Aff at nationals.  Sure they tweaked it a bit, but they were still using my files.  </p>
<p>To me, if someone does not allow a competitor/judge to take down the cite, electronically or otherwise, I think it shows a lack of conviction in their evidence.  As in, they are afraid someone will make sure they are being truthful.<br />
It is not like someone will fabricate evidence or tweak it a little to much for their benefit (cough cough HS TOC a couple years ago).</p>
<p>While I think that some rules in NFA are a bit lame, I am 100% behind the rules of ethical citation of scholarly/not quite so scholarly research on the cards (not so hot on having to read the long names that people give their articles, le sigh).</p>
<p>We need to have accountability for each other and this is something that if the scholars can do it and survive, so can we.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Good luck this weekend! by mat</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2011/11/11/good-luck-this-weekend/comment-page-1/#comment-13119</link>
		<dc:creator>mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=2387#comment-13119</guid>
		<description>Awesome job, congratulations to all who participated!  
I cannot wait to see you all at Loma next semester!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome job, congratulations to all who participated!<br />
I cannot wait to see you all at Loma next semester!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Good luck this weekend! by Danny</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2011/11/11/good-luck-this-weekend/comment-page-1/#comment-13117</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=2387#comment-13117</guid>
		<description>Gold (1st Place)
Biola Univeristy – Scott Alford

Silver (2nd Place)
Point Loma Nazarene University – Sydney Awakuni

Bronze:
California Baptist University – Alex Lamascus
California Baptist University – Richard Wickham

Congratulations to all the debaters!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gold (1st Place)<br />
Biola Univeristy – Scott Alford</p>
<p>Silver (2nd Place)<br />
Point Loma Nazarene University – Sydney Awakuni</p>
<p>Bronze:<br />
California Baptist University – Alex Lamascus<br />
California Baptist University – Richard Wickham</p>
<p>Congratulations to all the debaters!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Good luck this weekend! by mat</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2011/11/11/good-luck-this-weekend/comment-page-1/#comment-13116</link>
		<dc:creator>mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 05:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=2387#comment-13116</guid>
		<description>so, who won?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, who won?!?!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Debriefing the Double Up by mat</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2011/10/17/debriefing-the-double-up/comment-page-1/#comment-13114</link>
		<dc:creator>mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=2383#comment-13114</guid>
		<description>I think you should ask them if they would rather have you take an extra 20 minutes of their day to write the cites.  

Maybe people don&#039;t understand that you can actually take cites?  
Since most LD debaters in Cali are actually parli debaters who do LD (for various reasons) - evidence based debate formats are foreign to them and they do not understand what should be community norms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should ask them if they would rather have you take an extra 20 minutes of their day to write the cites.  </p>
<p>Maybe people don&#8217;t understand that you can actually take cites?<br />
Since most LD debaters in Cali are actually parli debaters who do LD (for various reasons) &#8211; evidence based debate formats are foreign to them and they do not understand what should be community norms.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Debriefing the Double Up by Kern</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2011/10/17/debriefing-the-double-up/comment-page-1/#comment-13113</link>
		<dc:creator>Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=2383#comment-13113</guid>
		<description>I am still hearing complaints from other debaters about taking pictures of evidence. I think this is ridiculous, unless debaters are trying to hide dishonest citations. Should debaters just take pictures during prep-time without asking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still hearing complaints from other debaters about taking pictures of evidence. I think this is ridiculous, unless debaters are trying to hide dishonest citations. Should debaters just take pictures during prep-time without asking?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Debriefing the Double Up by Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2011/10/17/debriefing-the-double-up/comment-page-1/#comment-13112</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=2383#comment-13112</guid>
		<description>Chad, thanks for your thoughts.  As with all cultural exchanges, we (in this case I) start out with ham-handed stereotypes and proceed to nuanced understanding.  To be clear, my statements serve as a gross generalization as to how many midwestern tournaments run L/D along side IEs, versus how many do so in So. California (only two I believe, including last weekend and Pt. Loma).

I found the WKY debaters extraordinarily polite and willing to adjust.  I also very much appreciate your point that sometimes as coaches we ask our debaters to debate a certain way, and when they sometimes don&#039;t it should not reflect on the program, the coach, or the region.  We are all works in progress.
 
To be sure, we have come a long way when you consider that your LDers of five years ago had no place at all to debate in Southern California, and now we can at least have this conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad, thanks for your thoughts.  As with all cultural exchanges, we (in this case I) start out with ham-handed stereotypes and proceed to nuanced understanding.  To be clear, my statements serve as a gross generalization as to how many midwestern tournaments run L/D along side IEs, versus how many do so in So. California (only two I believe, including last weekend and Pt. Loma).</p>
<p>I found the WKY debaters extraordinarily polite and willing to adjust.  I also very much appreciate your point that sometimes as coaches we ask our debaters to debate a certain way, and when they sometimes don&#8217;t it should not reflect on the program, the coach, or the region.  We are all works in progress.</p>
<p>To be sure, we have come a long way when you consider that your LDers of five years ago had no place at all to debate in Southern California, and now we can at least have this conversation.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Debriefing the Double Up by Chad Meadows</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2011/10/17/debriefing-the-double-up/comment-page-1/#comment-13111</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=2383#comment-13111</guid>
		<description>#3 and Speed

This is certainly not the case for our debate team. (WKU)  All debaters on our team also compete in IEs.  I sympathize with the concern about speed, and I hope that none of my debaters reacted negatively to criticisms about their presentation.  I&#039;ve noticed an increase both in speed and use of technical language specific to the topic on our team after we made LD the only debate platform that we compete in.  For most on our team that desire to speak faster comes from wanting to include more of their research into the round.  Our team is instructed that the difference between &quot;spreading&quot; and merely speaking quickly is that spreading is an attempt to decrease clash by making as many arguments as possible with no filter in hopes that your opponent drops something.  We also try to emphasize that speaking quickly should not come at the expense of persuasion.  All individual events are done at different speeds.  ADS is faster than INFO, and an Introduction in an interp is slower than a climax.  I believe/hope that speaking quickly can be done in a way that enhances clash and is in line with the spirit of the NFA-LD charter.  I appreciate your feedback Mike, and I will share your comments with my team at our next meeting.  

Also, Thank You for your comments about taking pictures.  We instructed our students to ask before they snapped pictures.  We did receive some backlash, but on the whole I think most people shared your sentiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 and Speed</p>
<p>This is certainly not the case for our debate team. (WKU)  All debaters on our team also compete in IEs.  I sympathize with the concern about speed, and I hope that none of my debaters reacted negatively to criticisms about their presentation.  I&#8217;ve noticed an increase both in speed and use of technical language specific to the topic on our team after we made LD the only debate platform that we compete in.  For most on our team that desire to speak faster comes from wanting to include more of their research into the round.  Our team is instructed that the difference between &#8220;spreading&#8221; and merely speaking quickly is that spreading is an attempt to decrease clash by making as many arguments as possible with no filter in hopes that your opponent drops something.  We also try to emphasize that speaking quickly should not come at the expense of persuasion.  All individual events are done at different speeds.  ADS is faster than INFO, and an Introduction in an interp is slower than a climax.  I believe/hope that speaking quickly can be done in a way that enhances clash and is in line with the spirit of the NFA-LD charter.  I appreciate your feedback Mike, and I will share your comments with my team at our next meeting.  </p>
<p>Also, Thank You for your comments about taking pictures.  We instructed our students to ask before they snapped pictures.  We did receive some backlash, but on the whole I think most people shared your sentiment.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Dynamic Page Served (once) in 0.330 seconds -->

