Comments on: On Being Negative at the start of the year http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/ Southern California's NFA-LD site Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:45:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: nerdy db8r http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-10705 nerdy db8r Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:10:35 +0000 http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=1015#comment-10705 i will ask my coaches to sign me up tomorrow. is there a problem that my judge is a freelancer? no degree but has tons of experience. there is no request in the rules about a degree but I wanted to make sure. S/He also wouldn't mind picking up ballots beyond the 2 round requirement to make everyone happy (including their wallet ;) i will ask my coaches to sign me up tomorrow. is there a problem that my judge is a freelancer? no degree but has tons of experience. there is no request in the rules about a degree but I wanted to make sure. S/He also wouldn’t mind picking up ballots beyond the 2 round requirement to make everyone happy (including their wallet ;)

]]> By: Sydne Kasle http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-10703 Sydne Kasle Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:19:26 +0000 http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=1015#comment-10703 Please register for the tournament on forensiscstournament.net so we can have an accurate head count! sydne Please register for the tournament on forensiscstournament.net so we can have an accurate head count!

sydne

]]> By: nerdy db8r http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-10696 nerdy db8r Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:18:36 +0000 http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=1015#comment-10696 well, i should be seeing you at the howe on saturday and then sunday I will be at rcc... apparently I am volunteered for a judging commitment on sat. lawls well, i should be seeing you at the howe on saturday and then sunday I will be at rcc… apparently I am volunteered for a judging commitment on sat. lawls

]]> By: TheHutt http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-10682 TheHutt Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:30:07 +0000 http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=1015#comment-10682 That's the plan. I owe a favor to a team up in norcal that is attending. That’s the plan. I owe a favor to a team up in norcal that is attending.

]]> By: nerdy db8r http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-10680 nerdy db8r Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:42:28 +0000 http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=1015#comment-10680 going to the Howe? going to the Howe?

]]> By: TheHutt http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-10678 TheHutt Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:49:56 +0000 http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=1015#comment-10678 I likely won't be there, regrettably. I likely won’t be there, regrettably.

]]> By: nerdy db8r http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-10677 nerdy db8r Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:06:55 +0000 http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=1015#comment-10677 speaking of who is going to start debating on a "negative note" as Travis pointed out... whose actually going to be at RCC for the tournament? I just got tentative backing from my school for the tourney - so you will see my wonderful personality again!!! to soon? sorry, I promise I will be nice! I looked on f/t.net and no one is signed up yet :( I know one person that is looking for a place to stay near the tournament for saturday night. I swear you will like this person a lot more then you may like me because your house guest is a great person and smell nice! Mike Diamond would love this kid! har har har so, who is going to start the year off with me? speaking of who is going to start debating on a “negative note” as Travis pointed out… whose actually going to be at RCC for the tournament? I just got tentative backing from my school for the tourney – so you will see my wonderful personality again!!! to soon? sorry, I promise I will be nice! I looked on f/t.net and no one is signed up yet :(

I know one person that is looking for a place to stay near the tournament for saturday night. I swear you will like this person a lot more then you may like me because your house guest is a great person and smell nice! Mike Diamond would love this kid! har har har

so, who is going to start the year off with me?

]]> By: Sydne Kasle http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-10671 Sydne Kasle Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:56:44 +0000 http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=1015#comment-10671 The other side of the issue is that the topic is worded as it is, and therefore most anything is actually Topical. The topic is a starting point. The debaters have the ability to move the topic in a variety of directions. I will be very frustrated if I hear procedurals all the time and topicality arguments that do not make sense. If you have come across the plan in the literature, then it can be considered topical. If you have ever found a definition that the plan seems to support, again, it is topical. While sometimes you may have to throw things against the wall, there isn't that much time to do this in LD. If you do this in the constructive, you will only have to pick and choose in the rebuttal, and you may choose the wrong thing. There's nothing wrong with developing solid positions that have evidence, using generic case evidence, and such. There's no reason to become desperate and do silly things. You should do your best and as Travis says, develop some "solid" positions and see what happens. Don't' be afraid to make case arguments without evidence. Many cases are not externally consistent and have holes all over the place. You can probably win on Presumption if you know what you are doing. It still does work! The other side of the issue is that the topic is worded as it is, and therefore most anything is actually Topical. The topic is a starting point. The debaters have the ability to move the topic in a variety of directions. I will be very frustrated if I hear procedurals all the time and topicality arguments that do not make sense. If you have come across the plan in the literature, then it can be considered topical. If you have ever found a definition that the plan seems to support, again, it is topical. While sometimes you may have to throw things against the wall, there isn’t that much time to do this in LD. If you do this in the constructive, you will only have to pick and choose in the rebuttal, and you may choose the wrong thing. There’s nothing wrong with developing solid positions that have evidence, using generic case evidence, and such. There’s no reason to become desperate and do silly things. You should do your best and as Travis says, develop some “solid” positions and see what happens. Don’t’ be afraid to make case arguments without evidence. Many cases are not externally consistent and have holes all over the place. You can probably win on Presumption if you know what you are doing. It still does work!

]]> By: Travis Salley -UNR- http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-10669 Travis Salley -UNR- Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:22:39 +0000 http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=1015#comment-10669 Well my opinion is that no one should start the year being negative. Everyone should be positive and excited about debate! Perhaps you'd be better off working on negation theory regarding the topic and possible affs, rather then just being so damn negative all the time... Aww man! I just realized I interpreted this whole article wrong... Or did I!??!? I mean, with all this talk about mediocre arguments and spreading and silly nonsense! But seriously, the only thing that will prob always link all the time and will not completely suck because of it would be a solid K. But I still don't know what overall the communities feelings are on..."cheating" as some may call it. I know Michael Miller is up to the task. WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF YOU!>!>!>!!>!?!? Well my opinion is that no one should start the year being negative. Everyone should be positive and excited about debate! Perhaps you’d be better off working on negation theory regarding the topic and possible affs, rather then just being so damn negative all the time…
Aww man! I just realized I interpreted this whole article wrong… Or did I!??!? I mean, with all this talk about mediocre arguments and spreading and silly nonsense!

But seriously, the only thing that will prob always link all the time and will not completely suck because of it would be a solid K. But I still don’t know what overall the communities feelings are on…”cheating” as some may call it. I know Michael Miller is up to the task. WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF YOU!>!>!>!!>!?!?

]]> By: John price http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/09/22/on-being-negative-at-the-start-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-10668 John price Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:56:36 +0000 http://www.socal-ld.net/?p=1015#comment-10668 i agree with will. success in the early season is largely dependent on the ability to utilize time scew and double bind strategy. use a reform t to get generic carded turns to stick to case etc. i also suggest reading through some jafa articles if your want to better understand some of the topicality/procedural arguments that you will be running. in addition because its so early in the season just analytically attacking the case isn't a bad idea since many people will not yet fully understand their cases. i agree with will. success in the early season is largely dependent on the ability to utilize time scew and double bind strategy. use a reform t to get generic carded turns to stick to case etc. i also suggest reading through some jafa articles if your want to better understand some of the topicality/procedural arguments that you will be running. in addition because its so early in the season just analytically attacking the case isn’t a bad idea since many people will not yet fully understand their cases.

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