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	<title>Comments on: Surface Transportation Authorization Act of 2009 Case</title>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/08/14/surface-transportation-authorization-act-of-2009-case/comment-page-1/#comment-10380</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael H. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TA-DA!

We now have TWO model cases for the Clinic: Danny (and Rep. Oberstar) vs. the GOP!

Representative John L. Mica, the ranking Republican on the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, has prepared and posted a de facto Affirmatice case and Plan which he calls  &quot;A National Strategic Transportation Plan. (NSTP)&quot;  Without necessarily intending to do so, Congressman Mica has &quot;substantially&quot; satisfied all of the traditional debate requirements for preparaing a case and plan this topic.  (His press release announcing the NSTP is a de facto 1AC.)  Please go to this website and examine it CAREFULLY:

http://republicans.transportation.house.gov/Media/File/111th/NSTP.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TA-DA!</p>
<p>We now have TWO model cases for the Clinic: Danny (and Rep. Oberstar) vs. the GOP!</p>
<p>Representative John L. Mica, the ranking Republican on the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, has prepared and posted a de facto Affirmatice case and Plan which he calls  &#8220;A National Strategic Transportation Plan. (NSTP)&#8221;  Without necessarily intending to do so, Congressman Mica has &#8220;substantially&#8221; satisfied all of the traditional debate requirements for preparaing a case and plan this topic.  (His press release announcing the NSTP is a de facto 1AC.)  Please go to this website and examine it CAREFULLY:</p>
<p><a href="http://republicans.transportation.house.gov/Media/File/111th/NSTP.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://republicans.transportation.house.gov/Media/File/111th/NSTP.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: nerdy db8r</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/08/14/surface-transportation-authorization-act-of-2009-case/comment-page-1/#comment-10379</link>
		<dc:creator>nerdy db8r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I suck at humor so I am going to have to have one of the interpers write me an intro, lol.  I prefer not to talk about topicality until the 1ar because I was taught that focuses the debate on topicality.  If the first thing out of your mouth is, &quot;Hey, I am topical!  Look at the intro where I swear I am!&quot; it goes to show that you buy into the idea of having to fit into topicality.  

I just don&#039;t wana talk about it at all when I am on the aff.  I don&#039;t care if it is the 1ac, 1nc, or 1ar I just don&#039;t wana deal with T on the aff.  If I were on the neg I will be sure to have some swag interp where you will never be T.  It is just a belief that was ingrained on me by my coach.

I think that by the end of the year I will have a 1AC that will remind you of a ADS.  That would make me happy and I would be happy to give it to anyone for PRP.  This may take a little collab.  but I think we can pull it off.  CU-Boulder had the best crazy case last year this year so-cal can have the funniest case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I suck at humor so I am going to have to have one of the interpers write me an intro, lol.  I prefer not to talk about topicality until the 1ar because I was taught that focuses the debate on topicality.  If the first thing out of your mouth is, &#8220;Hey, I am topical!  Look at the intro where I swear I am!&#8221; it goes to show that you buy into the idea of having to fit into topicality.  </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t wana talk about it at all when I am on the aff.  I don&#8217;t care if it is the 1ac, 1nc, or 1ar I just don&#8217;t wana deal with T on the aff.  If I were on the neg I will be sure to have some swag interp where you will never be T.  It is just a belief that was ingrained on me by my coach.</p>
<p>I think that by the end of the year I will have a 1AC that will remind you of a ADS.  That would make me happy and I would be happy to give it to anyone for PRP.  This may take a little collab.  but I think we can pull it off.  CU-Boulder had the best crazy case last year this year so-cal can have the funniest case.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/08/14/surface-transportation-authorization-act-of-2009-case/comment-page-1/#comment-10378</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion regarding citations and unique theory for LD.  I&#039;ll have more to say on that later but I think the more citation information you give the more credibility your evidence has.  &quot;Smith 08&quot; is simply not as strong as &quot;Prof Smith, a policy analyst in transportation studies at UC Davis&quot; etc..  It is simply giving yourself more credibility - which in NFA-LD should matter.  

I like to think of it like a Persuasive round, and I think the best speakers give more context to their citations in those rounds too.

Regarding the introduction - I was taught that it&#039;s a way to preempt topicality.  You introduce the subject and try to be the first one out of the gate proving your case is topical.  It at least gives you some defense in the 1AR against a topicality position.  

Also, as any theory of public address will tell you, an introduction will help the audience (and judge) understand the context of your case/speech.  Given that many of the judges throughout the year will not have had a substantial number of rounds judging the event combined with the fact that it would not be very difficult to write a new 1AC for every tournament, an introduction can get everyone up to speed. 

It can also serve as a way to introduce some humor in the round when the rest of the case is serious... judges/audiences like humor =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion regarding citations and unique theory for LD.  I&#8217;ll have more to say on that later but I think the more citation information you give the more credibility your evidence has.  &#8220;Smith 08&#8243; is simply not as strong as &#8220;Prof Smith, a policy analyst in transportation studies at UC Davis&#8221; etc..  It is simply giving yourself more credibility &#8211; which in NFA-LD should matter.  </p>
<p>I like to think of it like a Persuasive round, and I think the best speakers give more context to their citations in those rounds too.</p>
<p>Regarding the introduction &#8211; I was taught that it&#8217;s a way to preempt topicality.  You introduce the subject and try to be the first one out of the gate proving your case is topical.  It at least gives you some defense in the 1AR against a topicality position.  </p>
<p>Also, as any theory of public address will tell you, an introduction will help the audience (and judge) understand the context of your case/speech.  Given that many of the judges throughout the year will not have had a substantial number of rounds judging the event combined with the fact that it would not be very difficult to write a new 1AC for every tournament, an introduction can get everyone up to speed. </p>
<p>It can also serve as a way to introduce some humor in the round when the rest of the case is serious&#8230; judges/audiences like humor =)</p>
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		<title>By: nerdy db8r</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/08/14/surface-transportation-authorization-act-of-2009-case/comment-page-1/#comment-10377</link>
		<dc:creator>nerdy db8r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to me in a cite like &#039;Smith, director of forensics for blah blah blah &#039;08&#039; the dof blah blah blah is pen time for the judge to keep up if you are going fast.  Outside of that it is irrelevant.  Besides, what is wrong with a 1 person ceda event?  I am all for it as long as people keep the speed under 300 wpm. 

I see LD as a slower CEDA where you cannot run topical CP&#039;s.  Where do you think we got all of our theory from?  The only thing that should be different is adding in specifics to LD like no backside rebuttals or whatever. 

Some of my cites, under old school rules, would take 10 seconds at a &#039;normal rate of speed&#039; to say.  So, having the short cite makes me happier.  I may go back and add an introduction, lol.  The idea of an introduction in LD never dawned on me, but I can see how it may help in a round where I won&#039;t be able to use my parli/ceda judge case format.  Thanks for the idea on that one Danny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to me in a cite like &#8216;Smith, director of forensics for blah blah blah &#8217;08&#8242; the dof blah blah blah is pen time for the judge to keep up if you are going fast.  Outside of that it is irrelevant.  Besides, what is wrong with a 1 person ceda event?  I am all for it as long as people keep the speed under 300 wpm. </p>
<p>I see LD as a slower CEDA where you cannot run topical CP&#8217;s.  Where do you think we got all of our theory from?  The only thing that should be different is adding in specifics to LD like no backside rebuttals or whatever. </p>
<p>Some of my cites, under old school rules, would take 10 seconds at a &#8216;normal rate of speed&#8217; to say.  So, having the short cite makes me happier.  I may go back and add an introduction, lol.  The idea of an introduction in LD never dawned on me, but I can see how it may help in a round where I won&#8217;t be able to use my parli/ceda judge case format.  Thanks for the idea on that one Danny!</p>
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		<title>By: TheHutt</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/08/14/surface-transportation-authorization-act-of-2009-case/comment-page-1/#comment-10376</link>
		<dc:creator>TheHutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still, 3-5 seconds times however many cards are in the 1AC probably equals one or more additional cards. The fact that the speech times are so damn short makes it necessary, imo, to find ways to &quot;steal&quot; time in any way possible.

If there is a problem with an author&#039;s credentials, the burden should be on the negative to point that out, not for the judge and/or audience to intervene based off of assumptions that may or may not be correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still, 3-5 seconds times however many cards are in the 1AC probably equals one or more additional cards. The fact that the speech times are so damn short makes it necessary, imo, to find ways to &#8220;steal&#8221; time in any way possible.</p>
<p>If there is a problem with an author&#8217;s credentials, the burden should be on the negative to point that out, not for the judge and/or audience to intervene based off of assumptions that may or may not be correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/08/14/surface-transportation-authorization-act-of-2009-case/comment-page-1/#comment-10375</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael H. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hutt:  That&#039;s about it.  There is a school of thought that wants NFA-LD to become one-person NDT/CEDA.  I&#039;m not enrolled in it.  

My prefence would be: &quot;Joe Smith, professor of political science at Dartmouth, in 2008&quot;: or words like it.  Rationale: if the judge/audience is not actually going to read the card, they should be presented with sufficient infomation to know what makes a person is &quot;qualified.&quot;  The extra 2 seconds in actually speaking this info is, at least IMHO, justified.

Regardless of the school of thought, however, I think most - if not all - judges want enough info actually on the card so that it can be verified if challenged on &quot;ethics&quot; grounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hutt:  That&#8217;s about it.  There is a school of thought that wants NFA-LD to become one-person NDT/CEDA.  I&#8217;m not enrolled in it.  </p>
<p>My prefence would be: &#8220;Joe Smith, professor of political science at Dartmouth, in 2008&#8243;: or words like it.  Rationale: if the judge/audience is not actually going to read the card, they should be presented with sufficient infomation to know what makes a person is &#8220;qualified.&#8221;  The extra 2 seconds in actually speaking this info is, at least IMHO, justified.</p>
<p>Regardless of the school of thought, however, I think most &#8211; if not all &#8211; judges want enough info actually on the card so that it can be verified if challenged on &#8220;ethics&#8221; grounds.</p>
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		<title>By: TheHutt</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/08/14/surface-transportation-authorization-act-of-2009-case/comment-page-1/#comment-10374</link>
		<dc:creator>TheHutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - is that to say that citations such as &quot;Smith 08&quot; are now considered officially legitimate, so long as the full citation is provided with the card?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; is that to say that citations such as &#8220;Smith 08&#8243; are now considered officially legitimate, so long as the full citation is provided with the card?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/08/14/surface-transportation-authorization-act-of-2009-case/comment-page-1/#comment-10373</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael H. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NFA issued a special written &quot;clarification&quot; of its evidence citation rules at NFA Nationals in April.  I will have copies of that document to pass out on Monday.  Simply stated, NFA&#039;s already ambiguous rules were further watered down.  

At NFA Nationals, oral citation of evidence such as &quot;Smith in &#039;08:&quot; was the norm, not (alas) the exception.  And nobody looks at evidence unless there is a charge of an ethics violation.

BTW...

RE NFA-LD Rules:  I judged NFA-LD extensively last year.  I did not vote once on the basis of ANY rules violation (although they were violated in every round I judged), and I don&#039;t have any personal knowledge of any debate that was decided on the basis of a rules violation.  Also, please be aware that there is a MAJOR difference in NFA policy between a &quot;rules violation&quot; and an &quot;ethics violation.&quot;  More on Monday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NFA issued a special written &#8220;clarification&#8221; of its evidence citation rules at NFA Nationals in April.  I will have copies of that document to pass out on Monday.  Simply stated, NFA&#8217;s already ambiguous rules were further watered down.  </p>
<p>At NFA Nationals, oral citation of evidence such as &#8220;Smith in &#8217;08:&#8221; was the norm, not (alas) the exception.  And nobody looks at evidence unless there is a charge of an ethics violation.</p>
<p>BTW&#8230;</p>
<p>RE NFA-LD Rules:  I judged NFA-LD extensively last year.  I did not vote once on the basis of ANY rules violation (although they were violated in every round I judged), and I don&#8217;t have any personal knowledge of any debate that was decided on the basis of a rules violation.  Also, please be aware that there is a MAJOR difference in NFA policy between a &#8220;rules violation&#8221; and an &#8220;ethics violation.&#8221;  More on Monday.</p>
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		<title>By: nerdy db8r</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/08/14/surface-transportation-authorization-act-of-2009-case/comment-page-1/#comment-10370</link>
		<dc:creator>nerdy db8r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.hntb.com/sites/default/files/issues/07.13.09%20KC%20Star%20Scott%20Smith.pdf - that is the original copy from the Smith card.  There are a lot of good points in that card that you can cut out other cards from you 1ac with.  It says why that is the way to go and why doing it now is best.  

Remember we cannot use short cites in LD, you have to have author&#039;s full name, title of piece, source, and year, we wouldn&#039;t want to break LD rules, now would we?

By using the full card instead of ellipses you have better consistency and you take less time for sources.  That one source is used for cards 1 and 3 of Inh, so instead of double citing and reading the 2nd card just read it all the way though for a more consistent story and also improving time allocation.  Then you repeat the card in harms 1, why not just have observation 1 - background, put in 2 cards... Smith and the House card then hop to observation 2 - the plan?

The cool thing about LD is that you don&#039;t have to prove inherency in the 1ac, it says that you can provide it later if you are challenged.  However, your harms card has inherency built in so having a whole section built around inherency and then a whole section built around harms doesn&#039;t seem to have as much purpose.  Really, all DA&#039;s are inherency arguments for the 1ac.  You piss off Russia by investing in Cuba.. Hello, instant access to inherency.

I understand that few people share my vision of what debate is but there is no reason why it won&#039;t work well in LD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.hntb.com/sites/default/files/issues/07.13.09%20KC%20Star%20Scott%20Smith.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.hntb.com/sites/default/files/issues/07.13.09%20KC%20Star%20Scott%20Smith.pdf</a> &#8211; that is the original copy from the Smith card.  There are a lot of good points in that card that you can cut out other cards from you 1ac with.  It says why that is the way to go and why doing it now is best.  </p>
<p>Remember we cannot use short cites in LD, you have to have author&#8217;s full name, title of piece, source, and year, we wouldn&#8217;t want to break LD rules, now would we?</p>
<p>By using the full card instead of ellipses you have better consistency and you take less time for sources.  That one source is used for cards 1 and 3 of Inh, so instead of double citing and reading the 2nd card just read it all the way though for a more consistent story and also improving time allocation.  Then you repeat the card in harms 1, why not just have observation 1 &#8211; background, put in 2 cards&#8230; Smith and the House card then hop to observation 2 &#8211; the plan?</p>
<p>The cool thing about LD is that you don&#8217;t have to prove inherency in the 1ac, it says that you can provide it later if you are challenged.  However, your harms card has inherency built in so having a whole section built around inherency and then a whole section built around harms doesn&#8217;t seem to have as much purpose.  Really, all DA&#8217;s are inherency arguments for the 1ac.  You piss off Russia by investing in Cuba.. Hello, instant access to inherency.</p>
<p>I understand that few people share my vision of what debate is but there is no reason why it won&#8217;t work well in LD.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://www.socal-ld.net/2009/08/14/surface-transportation-authorization-act-of-2009-case/comment-page-1/#comment-10369</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points on the case - those were all holes I saw as well when writing the case.  It should also help people to go get some negative generic evidence along the lines of the criticism - ie, fatalities on the road are attributable to distracted driving not infrastructure problems.  That would be really good evidence to have this year on most harm scenarios.

I especially think the 40k ppl die thing is a big weakness in the case.  Hopefully over the course of the season more specifics will be written about the act so the cards can be made stronger.

I do think the private-public partnerships are a part of STA Act - I think the reforming the DOT card talks about that but I may be wrong.

Thanks for your criticism - hopefully it will help new debaters who are thinking about running this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points on the case &#8211; those were all holes I saw as well when writing the case.  It should also help people to go get some negative generic evidence along the lines of the criticism &#8211; ie, fatalities on the road are attributable to distracted driving not infrastructure problems.  That would be really good evidence to have this year on most harm scenarios.</p>
<p>I especially think the 40k ppl die thing is a big weakness in the case.  Hopefully over the course of the season more specifics will be written about the act so the cards can be made stronger.</p>
<p>I do think the private-public partnerships are a part of STA Act &#8211; I think the reforming the DOT card talks about that but I may be wrong.</p>
<p>Thanks for your criticism &#8211; hopefully it will help new debaters who are thinking about running this case.</p>
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